I’m a violently real and honest person with an extreme level of simultaneous emotional disinterest and entanglement with humankind. I delight in my own worth and know what I deserve yet I’m curiously skeptical of my own emotional relations. I never judge or belittle someone for having an informed opinion and I’m not afraid to engage anyone. At the end of the day, I think I teeter the line between unstable and aware.

(via mofobian)


Telling a depressed person to be happy is like telling someone who is choking to breathe. The presence of air is not the issue.

(via fightingforanimals)





Alright, I hope nobody minds but I’m going to answer this one straight (no jokes, no satire). I’m just not in the mood to come up with an entire comedy routine for this. Partly because I’m tired, and partly because this inane talking point is the one that pisses me off the most, out of all them.

I’ll give you a little introduction about myself. I was born in the Dominican Republic. I spent the first 7 years of my life there and I went back there every summer until I was a teen. If you don’t know, it’s an extremely poor country. Not as poor as Haiti, but pretty far away economically from the United States (which is where I live now), Canada, Western Europe, and chances are from any country from which people will most likely be reading this from.

I did not grow up poor. My parents were middle class (by Dominican standards). My grandparents owned a chicken farm.

I knew plenty of poor people. No matter where you go in the Dominican Republic, they are everywhere. Looking back on my childhood, whenever I went to a friend’s house (it was much more like a shack with a tin roof, than a “house”) and if I so happened to catch them while they were eating, I have absolutely no recollection of ever seeing meat on the table.

You know the kind of foods that I always saw? I saw things like rice, potatoes, corn, yucca (root vegetable like potatoes), beans, lentils, peas, breads, and fruits on the table.

I would never venture to say that they were 100% vegan, because obviously I doubt they were. But I’ll bet every last cent that that I have that at the very least 85% of the food they ate (and everybody in their socioeconomic status) was plant-based. Do you know why? Because it’s the cheapest.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure this out. From an agricultural standpoint, the lower you eat on the food chain, the less time and resources go towards the finished product, then the less the finished product is going to cost. If you are growing crops to feed animals and then feeding animals to people, then that’s a lot more time and resources going towards the finished “product”. If you are growing crops to feed people directly, then that’s obviously less time and resource intensive (which makes it less costly).

As countries get richer, the more animal products they consume. That’s what’s going on in China right now.

You most likely being born and raised in the United States and most likely never step foot out of the country and seen how poor people (you know the people that you are so concerned about) eat in other nations. I can assure you they are not dining on hamburgers, hot dogs, bacon, chicken mcnuggets, etc…..

You also, most likely being born and raised in the United States, think the real free market price cost of a hamburger is 99 cents. It’s not even close. The massive subsidies that the government gets, through my taxes, artificially lowers the price of meat and dairy to a much more manageable cost to the consumer.

Now for a person, such as yourself who absolutely hates elitism like you claim you do, can you tell me anything more disgustingly elitist than somebody else having to pick up the tab for your taste preference? Please enlighten me why I, and others, have to pay for something that I find disgustingly cruel, but because people like yourself, and millions of others don’t want to pay the full price for a steak? I’m dying to know the answer to this.

If the American public had to pay the REAL free market price cost of meat and dairy, your god-damn head would spin. American culture would be completely different than what you see it today. It would be a more economically honest society.

As far as vegan homeless shelters and vegan food pantries, I doubt there are any. But do you honestly think because there aren’t any (which there might be for all I know), that somehow means plant foods are more elitist than animal based foods?????

The reason why they probably don’t exist is because the people who run these operations, while I’m sure being extremely kind-hearted and philanthropic people, they most likely were born and raised in the United States, and have developed the indoctrinated belief that a “meal” is not a “meal” unless there is a piece of animal flesh on the table. Just because they believe that, it sure as hell doesn’t make it so.

The idea of serving solely plant-based foods will inherently be cheaper for the same reasons I’ve gone over. More than likely, the idea is just simply not in their radar, like most people.

To give you an idea of what’s possible. Here is a prison that went vegetarian solely because of it being cheaper. It had nothing to do with ethics, the environment, etc… Pure dollars and cents. Here is a prison in California where half the inmates were served vegan food. That half had remarkably lower incidences of violence and much better fellowship (which goes to show you that there is more to this issue than just dollars and cents).

Do you want to know what people such as yourself who bring up this absurd talking point should be shouting from the rooftops about? You should DEMAND that every last red cent of the government subsidies that are going to the meat and dairy industry go towards plant-based foods that are already cheap.

So, you would take every cent that goes to meat and dairy, and give it people that produce rice, potatoes, beans, lentils, peas, etc…. You know what that will do? It will massively reduce the price of these already insanely cheap foods. So if you were to go to the store and you’d normally see cans of beans being sold at the current price for about 80-90 cents a can, would know only cost 20-30 cents a can. You can do this with cheap fruits as well. Bananas are a very inexpensive fruit, Slash the already cheap price by at least half with the subsidy, then all of a sudden everybody can eat fruit.

This means practically ANYBODY could afford healthy, vitamin and nutrient dense foods (much more so than meat and dairy) no matter where on the economic ladder you are. This means the food pantries and homeless shelters can stock up on MORE food for less money, which means more people get to eat.

Do you know why this will never happen?

1) People are completely ignorant about the government subsidies that go to the meat and dairy industry, and more than likely have no interest in learning about these things, because out of sight, out of mind.


Whenever somebody brings up poverty, when they are asked to “go vegan”. It is the biggest bunch of bullshit I’ve ever heard. Do you know why people say this? Because other people say it. They just simply regurgitate the same things other people say without thinking about what they are saying for more than a half a second before they vomit it out of their mouths.

No thinking about how the agricultural process works, no thinking about the subsidies, no thinking about what the poorest people in the world eat….people just simply talking out of their asses.

It’s just people who are confronted with something that makes them uncomfortable and instead of thinking about why they are getting so defensive about their beliefs, they just flail miserably just hoping to land a punch, so they’ll say anything.

The onslaught of bullshit that comes out of people’s mouths when confronted with this issue is never-ending. You have people who will be using a computer with electricity and internet connection writing about the INUIT TRIBE, as if that has anything to do with them. Just take a look at my blog to see how many people think they’re like lions, or how much people suddenly give a shit about a plant’s life, or any of the mindless things that comes out of people’s mouths when it comes to this issue. You don’t have to take my word for it. Just read it.

How come I never hear this kind of stuff about the poor when you’ve got celebrity chefs who display and present food to the public as a form of entertainment? Here are all these starving people, and we have game shows about food. It’s weird…..I never hear a peep about poor people when this comes up.

How come whenever there is a hot dog eating contest, I never hear about this????? Don’t you think that it’s kind of sadistic to have a contest to see who can be the most wasteful and shove as much shit down their throat as possible when there are people starving? Hmm….crickets…

How come I never hear about anyone commenting on a culture that treats food like nothing more than a test of one’s gluttony or are barbecues a place to pray for those that don’t have any food? It’s been a while since I’ve been to one….Maybe it’s changed since last I’ve gone.

How come I never hear about how wasteful it is to lose countless amounts of food and calories through the crops that are grown only to get a microscopic amount of food and calories back from the animals that society eats for a taste preference all the meanwhile people are starving?

How come I never hear about the poor people in impoverished nations who are starving, meanwhile others in that same nation are growing crops not to feed them, but to feed farm animals that would peacefully not exist in the first place, if it wasn’t for the people’s demand of meat and dairy?

It’s weird….I never hear about these things. But tell somebody to eat solely plants, and then all of a sudden you are hearing about poor people and about people who live in the arctic.

Let’s just for arguments sake say that eating things like beans, lentils, rice, etc,…was more elitist and unaffordable to the poor. I hope I pointed out how much bullshit this is, but let’s just play devil’s advocate here for teensy second.

We live in a world where Anthony Bourdain has over 1.5 million people following him on Twitter. I’m going to take a stab in the dark and say these people don’t eat in soup kitchens. What’s their excuse?

We live in a world where people will spend $30 a pound for fillet mignon. I know this because I actually used to work in a meat department for a supermarket. I did it for four years. I know how much your average person spends on things like meat and dairy, and it’s a HELL of a lot more than what I spend on groceries.

I have to ask……what’s their excuse? Let me guess….they are going to tell me something about poor people existing somewhere in some time in some space in some part of the world.

DEMAND makes the world we live in, not supply. The world’s marketplace is what we demand it to be. No one is asking a person who is eating at a soup kitchen to vote with their dollar, because they don’t have the dollar to vote with. They are living on charity (not that there is anything wrong with that by any means). Instead we are asking for people who can vote with their dollar to change the world.

The more people demand something, the more the paradigm shifts. The more the paradigm shits, the more peaceful of a world we can live in for everybody (just a clue…..the human species is not the only one that exists).

Right now, we have a world that reflects the demand of people to have Burger King, Mcdonalds,Arbys, Hardees, Wendy’s, Popeyes, steakhouses, etc in just about every civilized corner„(the list goes on and on). I know one thing is for certain. This world the people demanded does not exist because starving people demanded it.

And as far as the road-kill being easier to find in the American Mid-west, by all means….have at it. What I wouldn’t give for a meat-eater put his money where his mouth is and act like the carnivore that he claims to be, and eat up a free meal like that. The animal was killed by accident. It wasn’t done on purpose. They are dead anyway. Go ahead and eat them. Just make sure to take a video of you eating the road kill so I can see how many other “genetic” meat-eating humans would be hungry at that site.

And as far as the over-population of deer, did you ever think that maybe humans are overpopulated? Did you ever think that the deer has every right to exist on land that they were previously able to roam freely in but now has become part of the infrastructure of mankind because for some reason they think birth control is the work of the devil, so they keep on popping out kids like a god-damn pez dispenser? 

I don’t think I’ve ever met a single hunter who uses the overpopulation talking point as nothing more than an excuse to get off on killing something. I have yet to see a photo of a hunter with a sad look on their face after they killed an animal because “overpopulation” made them do it, not because they wanted to. Show me a photo of that. I’d love to see it.

At the end of the day, this has nothing to do with poor people, or the inuit tribe, or our ancestors did it, or lions do it, or protein, or any other bullshit that I’ve heard a million times. It’s simply a childishly global epidemic case of I-don’t-want-to-itis.

If anybody ever gets posed this kind of bullshit talking point, feel free to send them to this post or you can send them to my vegan privilege post or the most recent one I did as response to this. You can copy and paste and plagiarize me if you want. I don’t care.

Thank you Lauren! :)

this person jumped completely over and around the questions before going off into their tirade.   

when every point starts with ‘how come i never hear… (poor) …blah blah blah..’  lets me know you really have no interest in the poor, just in defending yourself against any logical argument regarding us.  

sure you knew plenty of poor people, but until *you* are poor those programs and pantries you dismiss really aren’t your problem, are they? 

also, i didn’t see any mention of quinoa farming while you’re criticizing industries…  

Are you kidding me with this? You went through 3000 words and that’s what you get out of this? blah blah blah…..really?

just in defending yourself against any logical argument regarding us sure you knew plenty of poor people, but until *you* are poor those programs and pantries you dismiss really aren’t your problem, are they?

What logical argument was put in place? Someone asked me why there weren’t 100% vegan homeless shelters and pantries……and I answered them….because we live in a country that doesn’t view a “meal” as proper without having meat in it. That was my answer. I even said the people who run these programs are obviously kind-hearted and philanthropic people (those are compliments). There was nothing negative said about these institutions nor the people that run them. No call for getting rid of them. No call for the worldwide destruction of homeless shelters just because they don’t serve vegan food. None of that.

The commentary was about how the “system” is run and how people vote with their dollars. The people in our society (which is the majority of us) who have the dollars to make a marketplace vote for the way a civilized world could exist for all, but instead hide behind poor people as a faux reasoning for not changing the way they spend their money, not (I repeat) NOT on the people who are not voting with their dollar, because they simply don’t have the dollar to vote (the poor).

And if you look at the notes on this thread there are plenty of people that have commented showing that there are shelters and organizations that do serve vegan options and exclusively vegan food. IN FACT, if you look at this thread there are plenty of people who have commented in saying that they are POOR and vegan, one person even being completely homeless and yet vegan. Somebody even mentioned that their family went vegan to actually save money. My entire point is that’s the way most of the world is. They eat predominantly plant based foods because it is cheaper, meanwhile because of massive subsidies people in the US have this mindset that plant-based foods is elitist. That was the entire point.

Did you not see the answer I wrote or did you just read what you wanted to read? Reply to this and COPY AND PASTE exactly where I “dismissed” them. No bullshit. Backup what you just said. Point out exactly where I dismissed them.

And I don’t give a shit about the poor???? I wrote something that took me 2 hours to write just in the miracle of miracles that it gets people thinking about how changes in the decisions they make and where the tax dollars are going to can make all the difference in the world for reducing poverty worldwide (which I guess you must have skimmed through). Do you mean to tell me only if I was poor, I could write about this? I should just keep my mouth shut about issues like this unless I live below the poverty line.  Really?

So, if somebody poor had written this, then it all would have been ok?

I would think that people who care about the poor might have gotten something out of this. In fact, I read a lot of non-vegans on this thread commenting on how they never thought about it like this before. Is that a bad thing that people have to pay full price for their precious fucking steaks if it means more people in this world get to eat? Really?

also, i didn’t see any mention of quinoa farming while you’re criticizing industries… 

Did you read that part where I wrote about people that act defensively when their confronted with their choices? Yeah….I don’t think people eat steak because quinoa farming has labor issues. I don’t think one thing has to with the other. In fact, you can be a meat-eater and eat quinoa as well. That’s not exactly a law.

Can you name any single industry on the planet that doesn’t have any labor issues? Would you like to get into a discussion about the massive rates about the depression, domestic violence, and suicide rates that take place with slaughterhouse workers? Because I could…..but I won’t because it has nothing to do with the subject that was talked about. 

I talked about the elimination of government subsidies for the meat and dairy industry so it can go to more affordable foods, that are already affordable and would be dirt cheap if we subsidized it with the same money, so more people get to eat…..less poverty……less starvation. And you’re getting angry at this for what reason exactly?

I mention how people get up and arms mentioning the poor when the topic of veganism come up when there isn’t a need to react so defensively in such a pavlovian manner, but I never hear anything about the poor when we live in a foodie culture with millionaire celebrity chefs, and people are dying from excess because they can’t put down their hot dogs, meanwhile there are people in the world starving…..and you get mad at me for pointing out the obviously hypocritical manner in which society behaves because……???